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i'd use NoScript or something if i really cared
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WOOHOO!
alright all you silly flash lovers, i just had a close call with my harddrive today, probably less from the fact that it was actually compromised by a virus, but more from the fact that it was compromised by me wanting to RIP MY WINDOWS PARTITION OFF IT AND NEVER USE IT AGAIN
all the anger aside, heres the deal:
surfing around the webs, you know, classic use. watching videos online, which, of course, use flash as their video compiler. guess what happens! (its such a bloody shock) shit starts popping up all over the place OI YOU THERE YOU HAVE A VIRUS DO THIS SHIT NOW OR SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN RAH RAH RAH
of course, having seen this before, i was skeptical and killed the window. yes, using command prompt to kill the process itself, im not silly enough to actually close the window. whee! more shit starts popping up, and it kills google chrome. and firefox. and ie *cringe* i know, i had to try. and control panel. and command prompt. and all that other useful shit thats nice to have openable when something nasty tries to compromise your box.
turns out flash had been compromised, as i was checking back through my logs, and had downloaded a delightful program called Antispyware Soft, and had executed it all over. turns out it put multiple instances of itself in multiple places and modified the regedit so that it would launch on startup, and block the launching of any other applications. yes. even notepad. i tried restarting, which, of course, even in safemode, proved completely useless.
now, fortunately, i keep loads of bootdiscs around, one of which is conveniently Mac OS X on the other partition of my internal harddrive. and, of course, whenever windows gets screwed up, macside seems to run faster for some reason...
spite aside, i was able to get onto a different, and un-bugged os, and write a script to open up my necessary tools in a roundabout way. killed the process, almost rebooted my computer on accident, than started to rummage through my rededit deleting entries that i figured would be bugged out.
some time later, and after a clean restart, i now have a, as far as i know, functioning system again. now, my question is: if you have no scripting skill, and no computer knowledge, and no intimate understanding of how windows stores security and system data, how do you get rid of something like this when flash lays this massive shit in your lap?
alright all you silly flash lovers, i just had a close call with my harddrive today, probably less from the fact that it was actually compromised by a virus, but more from the fact that it was compromised by me wanting to RIP MY WINDOWS PARTITION OFF IT AND NEVER USE IT AGAIN
all the anger aside, heres the deal:
surfing around the webs, you know, classic use. watching videos online, which, of course, use flash as their video compiler. guess what happens! (its such a bloody shock) shit starts popping up all over the place OI YOU THERE YOU HAVE A VIRUS DO THIS SHIT NOW OR SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN RAH RAH RAH
of course, having seen this before, i was skeptical and killed the window. yes, using command prompt to kill the process itself, im not silly enough to actually close the window. whee! more shit starts popping up, and it kills google chrome. and firefox. and ie *cringe* i know, i had to try. and control panel. and command prompt. and all that other useful shit thats nice to have openable when something nasty tries to compromise your box.
turns out flash had been compromised, as i was checking back through my logs, and had downloaded a delightful program called Antispyware Soft, and had executed it all over. turns out it put multiple instances of itself in multiple places and modified the regedit so that it would launch on startup, and block the launching of any other applications. yes. even notepad. i tried restarting, which, of course, even in safemode, proved completely useless.
now, fortunately, i keep loads of bootdiscs around, one of which is conveniently Mac OS X on the other partition of my internal harddrive. and, of course, whenever windows gets screwed up, macside seems to run faster for some reason...
spite aside, i was able to get onto a different, and un-bugged os, and write a script to open up my necessary tools in a roundabout way. killed the process, almost rebooted my computer on accident, than started to rummage through my rededit deleting entries that i figured would be bugged out.
some time later, and after a clean restart, i now have a, as far as i know, functioning system again. now, my question is: if you have no scripting skill, and no computer knowledge, and no intimate understanding of how windows stores security and system data, how do you get rid of something like this when flash lays this massive shit in your lap?
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but, see, thats the catch.
computers shouldnt be built around users the have some sort of competency when the majority of users most definitely wont. things like flash being corrupt just make the point more profound: things that the average user trust have the ability to get them in shitloads of trouble with no effort or consent whatsoever.
computers shouldnt be built around users the have some sort of competency when the majority of users most definitely wont. things like flash being corrupt just make the point more profound: things that the average user trust have the ability to get them in shitloads of trouble with no effort or consent whatsoever.
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You must have been at a shifty site if you got a virus through Flash.
Let's put it this way: I can't get a virus by watching a youtube vid (one that's using Flash).
Let's put it this way: I can't get a virus by watching a youtube vid (one that's using Flash).
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Yeah but my point is....you must have been on a shady site.
...probably like amputeeporntube.com or something
...probably like amputeeporntube.com or something
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people have been using computers since the 60s. we arent the tech generation, we are the information generation.
i know its tricky for you guys to understand this, because this group is a bunch of people who see relatively eye-to-eye in our knowledge of computers, but understanding computers is not like falling off a log. i know the majority of kids my age that look at the things i do on the computer, simple things, like very basic file system manipulation, and go OMGHOWDIDYOUDOTHAT
so, in response, 10 years from now? no, people will not understand how computers work any more than they do now. its the same deal with cars, to which the majority of people out there have only a very basic understanding of how a clutch works. you ask almost anybody out there, and their first answer will be something to the effect of 'gears.' which, of course, is not true in the slightest. surprisingly enough, ish, computers and their functionality havent changed at all in the past 30/40 years. though they have gotten more complex, the code hasnt changed. which means this: the fact that people dont understand computers is not going to change any time soon.
but this is still off the point. since people now dont understand computers, and dont understand how their computer can be compromised, and dont understand how their ignorance can get them in trouble, having something, like flash, that can get someone like me, of all people, in trouble, means that there are loads of computer users out there that probably have the same problem i did, and dont know how to deal with it.
and dont you come at me with the 'stupid people shouldnt use computers' nonsense, jif, because, by general consensus, there are around 2 (which was accurate 3 years ago) computers in the average american household, which means stupid people already do and your statement doesnt matter in the slightest. mainstream computing cant have this spectacular pitfalls when the average computer user can barely use the most basic functions that computers provide.
i know its tricky for you guys to understand this, because this group is a bunch of people who see relatively eye-to-eye in our knowledge of computers, but understanding computers is not like falling off a log. i know the majority of kids my age that look at the things i do on the computer, simple things, like very basic file system manipulation, and go OMGHOWDIDYOUDOTHAT
so, in response, 10 years from now? no, people will not understand how computers work any more than they do now. its the same deal with cars, to which the majority of people out there have only a very basic understanding of how a clutch works. you ask almost anybody out there, and their first answer will be something to the effect of 'gears.' which, of course, is not true in the slightest. surprisingly enough, ish, computers and their functionality havent changed at all in the past 30/40 years. though they have gotten more complex, the code hasnt changed. which means this: the fact that people dont understand computers is not going to change any time soon.
but this is still off the point. since people now dont understand computers, and dont understand how their computer can be compromised, and dont understand how their ignorance can get them in trouble, having something, like flash, that can get someone like me, of all people, in trouble, means that there are loads of computer users out there that probably have the same problem i did, and dont know how to deal with it.
and dont you come at me with the 'stupid people shouldnt use computers' nonsense, jif, because, by general consensus, there are around 2 (which was accurate 3 years ago) computers in the average american household, which means stupid people already do and your statement doesnt matter in the slightest. mainstream computing cant have this spectacular pitfalls when the average computer user can barely use the most basic functions that computers provide.
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